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22-02-2012 You did a very good job on this.Yet, I think we need more emotionally driven things to accompany the philosophy of antinatalism to really influence the masses to a noticeable degree. |
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22-02-2012
Thanks. Yes, but not because appealing to emotions is the only way to persuade people in the validity of these points, but because the majority won't be motivated to think about such matters unless they're stimulated thru emotions first. |
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23-02-2012 I have to agree with Chris, you are very eloquent. Probably the most clear and concise arguement I\'ve read/heard for antinatalism so far. I\'ve been an antinatalist since I can remember, though I just heard the term a few years ago. I never bought into the God thing and as soon as I saw how much unnecessary suffering is in the world I realized that I could never sign a child up for that risk, and didn\'t really think other people should either. I live in an extremely religious area of the U.S. so if I spoke about antinatailsm here I\'d probably get lynched. As it is, if I even try to bring up the option of not having children I just get ridiculed by the idiots. Anyway, I am glad to know there are others like me out there. As an aside, I couldn\'t even make it all the way through even one of those animals eating each other videos. It makes my stomach turn to know that happens every single day. And, as another aside, I just have to say it.... you are completely gorgeous! |
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23-02-2012
Eloquent? Hmm.. I'm starting to believe it now that I've heard it from several people. :) I sort of know I have a bit of such skills, but it feels harder to express myself as freely in English as I do in Russian. Well, apparently, its good enough)) Thanks! I know what you mean about the religious areas of U.S. Which in general doesn't seem to be too secular, but in some places its just astonishingly religious for the contemporary civillized world. I myself haven't watched more than a minute of those poor animals videos during my whole life. I get the point in a few seonds, it's an assignment for those who maintain the wisdom of nature, the magnificence of this world - to endure a few videos like this and keep defending their point of view. Thanks for the compliment, too )) |
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23-02-2012 Hey, i like your blog alot. Very fun to read. I found it in Antinatalism blogspot. Do you have messenger? It would be fun to have you as a contact and have some conversations on the topic, we think much alike about things Have a nice day |
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25-02-2012
Hi Ted. Funny? Not too much in this particular post, I don't think. I rarely spend time in messangers. I would be more inclined to talk there if I knew more about you, either from reading your blog, or your comments here. Thanks for stopping by! |
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24-02-2012 Bravo! What an insightful dismantling of stupid arguments against anti-natalism! I hope you will write more on this. Reading you is like music to my soul. |
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25-02-2012
Thanks, Neil. I do plan to write some more on the topic. The two newest posts in philosophy psychology section are sort of related to antinatalism. |
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25-02-2012 Haha, i didn\'t mean it was fun like hahaha, but pleasent to read, well done and entertaning. My english is not as good as yours ^^ And i do think you are funny sometimes, especially in some of your youtube videos Hope to see more of you |
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27-02-2012
Oh, utube vids! I see. Thanks. New one comming up today, and its about what children owe to their parents. |
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27-02-2012 Hi, i just watched the video. Rational arguments as usual Now to something else, i feel i want to share my thoughts on life, i have to release som anger lol. Thinking about existence and how we ended up here has given me gray hair already and i turn 25 this year lol. Existence is it own misery and it's like a chainreaction that never stops. I wonder if we are doomed for eternity to exist? If i could choose i would choose anyday to not exist than to exist. And the reason i would do that is because i have reached a point where i understand that nothing of value can come out of existence, or ever will. There can be no goal or a point to it and that's the core issue of existence and has allways been. It doesn't matter how complicated or evolved it get, that will only bring more problems to the world. Maybe we are something that can't help existing... something that wished it never existed, but the only thing we can do is to get away from being deeply aware, by coming in to worlds like this one. Maybe this our heroin and when people become to aware they want out here because the drug don't work anymore or has ever worked for some. And who knows, of one takes his life he might end up in the same state after death?? I don't know that's just another theory of life lol. The only thing i am pretty sure of is that we are part of something sick and disgusting, and the crude nature of nature tells us that, at least.. "The apple don't fall far away from the tree" they say... Sometimes i get angry inside and i just want to scream out loud lol. I hate not having the power to know what i am and how i ended up here and for what reason. For me it's hard to deal with the fact that nothing in this world is for real. It's all just illusions and delusions. And as long as you are deluded it works out somehow but not when it brakes down and you see where you really are. And ofcourse the biggest problem is the suffer that has to be experienced but then again, how do we know that suffer stops after death? What if we don't stop existing after physical death and maybe the suffer is greater after death than it is here? Maybe that's the only thing antinatalism can't argue about? I would love to know that, after death we cease to exist forever. But this is like an argument against my own thoughts and values. If we the antinatalists don't know what comes after death want's everybody including animals to not procreate by sterilizing everything that can go ouch if you hit it. How can we somehow promise that, that would be safer somehow? What if we end up having to go trough everything again lol? All the billions of years of suffer.. This is the reason i hate existence so much because you can never know what the right thing to do is. Haha fuck this i am getting my self confused. Leave a comment on this if you like to. Peace out |
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27-02-2012
I hate not having the power to know what i am and how i ended up here and for what reason. You're definitely not alone in this. What if we don't stop existing after physical death and maybe the suffer is greater after death than it is here? Maybe that's the only thing antinatalism can't argue about? This point is on my to-do list. Going to elaborate on it someday in the future. Oh and btw, antinatalism isnt about death, its about not starting new lives. What happens after death we all are going to find out someday anyway. To put it shortly, when you don't know shit, its better to abstain from the action that involves risks. We don't know where we come and where we go from here, but that people get harmed in this world is a fact. On one hand we have dozens of assumptions about how it is for the unborn and the dead, non of which are facts. On the other hand we have a fact - in this world people do suffer. So should we equate the fact and our fantasies, our 'what ifs'? I think it's logical to first act on what we do know for a fact. We may never have the answers to the other questions. What if we end up having to go trough everything again lol? Than we will have have tried and failed. Can we promise success? Nope. It's like a group of slaves trying to break free and worrying 'what if they catch us and put us back'. Won't know until you've tried. has given me gray hair already and i turn 25 this year lol I recommend henna-based hair dyes Although I've no grey hairs yet, so no guarantees, and also, unfortunately, it does not help solve the problems of existence. |
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27-02-2012 It\'s now that i just want to pick up a stick and beat u with it lol. Sometimes i even tell my self to not try to think further than what i can see and clarify. The rest is just fantasy or assumptions as you say it. But in the end of the day i guess my ego takes me there anyway because i am just the kind of person that has to have a reason or i can\'t go on. I can\'t even enjoy life anymore because the way i am. And with sociopaths around me and all types of sheeps, just make me want to kill my self instantly lol. I guess that just the way i am and i am sure i will die feelings the same to |
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28-02-2012
It's now that i just want to pick up a stick and beat u with it lol Sorry about your anger, its not an easy emotion to experience, but I don't appreciate being made an outlet for it. Sometimes I notice that I wish I had someone or something in particular to blame. It's always easier when you find a scapegoat, an enemy, a root of all evil and direct all your frustration toward it. But ultimately I have noone to blame for my being here. Just my luck. Speculating about anger vs sadness - both are reactions to hurt - id think the first one is more of an attempt to locate and fight off the source of pain, and the other is more of an acceptance of the circumstances being stronger than you. Can't be mad at a tsunami. Also, anger is an earlier stage of grieving - and we are grieving for the loss of our illusions of the just world, of meaning and purpose. The acceptance will likely follow later...well..unless u really decide to kill yourself. Talking about the point of life, I guess at least some antinatalists find it in making their input into trying to prevent the harm that came their way from reaching others. Meaninglessness hurts. You realize you're not unique in this, right? |
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28-02-2012 LOL, it was a joke! Why would i be angry in anyone, i would never blame anyone for anything that they are not the cause for
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28-02-2012
Yeah, I thought it may have been intended as a joke (although you can meet all sorts of people on the net and here they express themselves more freely given the anonimity), but jokes like these still qualify for what psychologists call 'passive aggression'. Joking is a socially acceptable way of expressing repressed stuff. It's sort of normal to be trying to find a scapegoat, its like an instinctive reaction. Like you hit your foot on the rock and for a moment you are angry with that thing, even though it wasn't its fault and it could never be its fault, and you rationally know it, but we're not only rational creatures Anyway, this post isn't about aggression, I'm glad you've shared your thoughts on antinatalism here. |
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29-02-2012 lol, okey lets say my women is to cute sometimes and i just feel i want to kill her, and i bite her everywhere, i do that out of love or do i really want to hurt her? |
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29-02-2012
gee, i hope my boyfriend doesn't have such thoughts. just imagined him looking at me while im sleeping peacefully and contemplating a loving murder haha seriously, Ted, this is going to far away from the topic of this post, i wouldn't want to have too many offtopic comments. |
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29-02-2012 What the fuck dude. You need professional help, yea? |
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29-02-2012 I don't think you will ever understand lol
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12-04-2012 Thank you for your brave and thoughtful blog. Your quote from Flaubert prompted me to reflect that life is like a drug to an addict. When you have it it's hard to imagine being without it. |
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