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27-03-2013 Ah, you're right, thanks for reminding me of all those optimistic Atheists (sorry, dear Atheists, but imho that stance is 'slightly' contradictory... or downright illogical... as you prefer) I'd certainly never try to put lipstick on a pig... (unless they wanted me to ) |
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27-03-2013 Well, I can't get on Facebook, so... Besides, it's not a forum! Anyway... if you ever find some other place I can join, please tell me... |
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27-05-2013 I read this and truly enjoyed it as usual. You are a good thinker and are able to separate emotions from logic. I like anyone who is able to confront the truths of reality without Tourette's-worthy lipstick application. Especially being able to reflect on ourselves while getting out of the way of ourselves..There is one thing I really think you should consider though, Irina. I've been thinking this and posted this in the past a few times. You refuted me and I agreed with your points, but I don't feel you fully listened to me. Another comment was made related to the economic downturn. My feeling is that - even though life truths abide, pleasure cannot be without pain, etc. - a large part of the condition of life today is due to the extremely wealthy, who are actually shaping the world for their benefit. It is extremely complicated and I could share with you all my knowledge, but it would take a lot of writing. The 9-5 wage slave jobs would not exist if it weren't for this structure. Slavery and feudalism wouldn't have happened. I just think that life would still be full of it's uncertainty, pain and suffering - but it would have more meaning, love and things to make it very worthwhile, if we weren't being raised as slaves to keep this machine running for the wealthy. We are here at a very specific time in history.. really an endgame of world capitalism, where the free world (what was left) has just been undermined by having their jobs sold to communist nations. This whole generation of college kids has been sold a worthless education for 4 times the cost, with no jobs waiting on the other side because they're overseas. Even if they weren't overseas, the education is so much shallower now that they'd have a harder time following their dream anyway! College is now a product of capitalism. Everyone is sending their child, even if they don't have the money. Then those children have no solid education and a debt that forces them into wage slavery! I think this is a side goal of the ones at the top of the college-industrial complex. Meanwhile the currency market is being flooded after bubbles, which makes the currency worth less and effectively takes money out of everyone's pocket without them even knowing! We are on a treadmill designed by the monetary elite very carefully designed to give the illusion of freedom while maintaining slave labor. That's where we are in history! Extremely complex, new versions of slavery. There will never be a time where someone does not want to be a God and escape the natural level of shared struggles and joy in life. But when this happens over many thousands of years, we see the system that we are in now, that is an endgame for this behavior - few are Gods, the rest are slaves to support this lifestyle. The ignorant play, as the stage is set to make them think they have a chance to be Gods too. Celebrity was created as a spectacle for this! A red herring. The real winners are behind the curtain and are in a strong position. So my point is, we DO NOT live in a natural world at this point. It is highly created by the ones in power. The landscape is molded by architecture. Propaganda and careful storytelling keeps people believing in different truths than the ones that are happening. Life would still be difficult without this, but it would be shared (less split by the monetary system) and free! Build a house anywhere. Do whatever you want 24/7 as long as there is enough food to go around. This is how life was with tribes and still exhibited by natural 'primitive' peoples around the world. Notice that propaganda right there: 'primitive'? We are so used to it, it's difficult to see. The propaganda has become who we are. My opinions. I hope you can gather something. |
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29-05-2013
[:sighs:] I agree wealthy fucks are making things worse for average guy. But haven't they kind of always been doing that? I don't think the problem is 'few bad apples', rather it's just a few people who make it to the top of 'bad-applehood' lol and there are countless more who wish they had what it takes to be rich powerfull assholes in power or heads of the corporations. The poor folks will sit in their kitchen complaining about the greedy oligarchs steeling big, but they will think it's all right for them to steal and cheat just a little bit. One day they'll bash some evil corporation, the next day they're offered a job there and it becomes not so evil after all. You know how our mind works: we find justifications for what's beneficial to us. There are good, decent people, I'm not sure how many, and whather they stop being so when they cheat or steal just like the big guys. They may otherwise be good friends, spouses. So it's a difficult question. I just think that life would still be full of it's uncertainty, pain and suffering - but it would have more meaning, love and things to make it very worthwhile, if we weren't being raised as slaves to keep this machine running for the wealthy. On the one hand, yes. And I wish that time would come for more people. But on the other hand, leisure promotes existential thoughts and those oftentimes aren't consoling. I forget who wrote about it, I think many philosophers did, that free time isn't something we're wired for. As long as we're chasing a carrot, we're fine. We don't have time to wonder about the futility of our efforts. Once there's lots of free time we're lost.
Yeah, well, the natural world is what we make it anyway. Everything we do becomes part of nature. And other animals (supposedly closer to nature) don't exactly live in paradise either. This just was never meant to be a happy place. It's a place where sentient beings pray on one another. Life would still be difficult without this, but it would be shared (less split by the monetary system) and free! Build a house anywhere. Do whatever you want 24/7 as long as there is enough food to go around. This reminded me of "Sex at Dawn". They described some tribes who are content with their very simple lives in nature. Hunting, eating, fucking, sleeping. Ok, singing songs and dancing. I've seen documentaries about such tribes. Well, as long as people - like more primitive animals - don't bother themselves with the meaning of life question, I guess lots of them can be reasonably content with life, granted, they're not sick, hungry etc. |
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