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19-09-2015 You arbravelady lady. Do not risk too much RaГєl |
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19-09-2015 Thanks for giving us a look into your world. One thing I've learned about you which you value highly is honesty, so I hope you are not upset with me when I tell you that what you've shared here is really quite depressing. With all the wonderful qualities you have, you deserve so much more than to live in such places. I am not trying to take cheap shots at your country as a whole. I've seen plenty photographs of Kyiv and other Ukrainian cities. The architecture is grand in many places and you have some dramatic scenery. At the same time there is also no escaping the shadow of what Ukraine went through during the past century in the buildings you've displayed. Those blocks of flats are uniformly soulless - functional enough to keep you sheltered from the elements, but little more.It's doubtful your motivation for writing this post was to elicit sympathy and so I'll empathise instead. For although on the surface the places I've lived may have been more spacious and comfortable, you know I've had the hell of noisy neighbours to contend with as well in the past. Seeing your makeshift bed on the floor of that tiny kitchen sent a shiver up my spine, as I have spent many a nomadic night moving my mattress from room to room and even once into a cupboard (closet, for our American friends... and of the literal, not metaphorical variety, before some smart ass comes back with a quip. I'm looking at you, Kirk. lol) in a pathetic effort to find some elusive silence. It is no exaggeration to say that having loud and unthoughtful people above, through the wall, or even below you, can have a very real and marked effect on a person's health and wellbeing. There was one time I was so psychologically disturbed in the middle of the night that I actually contemplated taking a set of step ladders into the communal stairwell in order to access the apartments' roof hatch and go spend the night up there. If I lived in some tropical paradise then it's likely I would have gone through with it, but UK nights are not best spent out of doors if at all possible. What's worse still is the constant state of trepidation and agitation such living evokes. I say 'living', but it is really just existing, because your peace of mind is pretty much nil and at the mercy of other bastards' actions. My experiences have put me off EVER living in a flat again. Yes, I had to move out of the capital city in order to afford an actual house, but my decision to this was the best I've ever made. This is a nice segue into some questions I have for you... As your work is internet based, is it a necessity for you to live in Kyiv at all? You said that 20km away from the city centre it's 1000-2000 UAH cheaper and so I would guess that the suburban towns and villages are even cheaper. I'm not meaning you go back in time and live in a mud hut, but surely there are some places which still have all the amenities you require and which don't cost half your salary to reside there? Being fairly reclusive as you are, I cannot see it being a big problem. You could still come into Kyiv on the weekends to visit your family and FEMALE ( ) friends. ... Or, you could just accept the damn ring, become Mrs O'Brick and live a life of leisure, where the only (clothed) task you'd have to perform is thinking of a way to rid the world of the monstrosity we currently call 'Texas'. |
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20-09-2015
Yeah, I don't have to live in Kyiv, but I have to be close to it. I'm tied by our bearocratic apparatus to this tax office in the area, my parents who might require some help and my non-numerous friends live here and there's Kyiv Boryspil airport. |
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19-09-2015 Such is life. I would get the fuck out of that country so quick...but you must have your reasons. |
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20-09-2015
I'd grt thr fuck out too. Maybe I should buy a forged Syrian citizenship and go live in Germany as some people do these days. |
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20-09-2015 Dear Irina,I read that the human brain maybe hardwired for to feel at peace in the countryside and confused in cities even if they were born and raised in an urban area. Professor Michael Depledge of Exeter University, a former Environment Agency chief scientist, said urban dwellers could be suffering in the same way as animals kept in captivity. He said the move to the cities had been accompanied by an “incredible rise in depression and behavioural abnormalities”. I saw the pictures of the buildings, well, horrible buildings. I hope you get some peace with your accommodation. Asuncion is starting to get uglier with the construction of many buildings and this leads to the killing of the few green spaces. The buildings are a declaration of war against us because it is an aggression against our fragile mental and physical health. Damn these so called urban developers! P.D. What´s the name of the wealthiest man/woman in Ukraine? |
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20-09-2015
Professor Michael Depledge of Exeter University, a former Environment Agency chief scientist, said urban dwellers could be suffering in the same way as animals kept in captivity. Yeah, that seems quite reasonable. That's why the richest people prefer to live in nearby countryside and drive to work. However there's no therapeutic effect of nature on poor villagers. Most of them become alcoholics, at least in Russia and Ukraine. That's why, btw, @Dick I don't move to the smallest village with the cheapest rent. Everyone knows one another, all eyes are curious, most of the population is poor, quite possibly I'd elicit envy if they noticed I was living better lifestyle than them. I'd have to blend in and not flash any electronics, not use taxis, not buy expensive food in the stores, etc etc. I also imagine somebody would want to make friends. That'd be awkward. They'd know I'm always home. I imagine some bored neighbour, maybe even a woman not a man, who'd see me in the store every other day and would seize the opportunity to make a new friend. After yesterday, these people, with whom I've drank and danced yesterday been calling my friend asking for my phone number. Good thing he knows better than to disclose it. It's so easy to be liked. Even though with this short hair I don't look as gorgeous and feminine as with longer hair, it takes a few cunning jokes and they want more of you, even those who weren't paying much attention in the beginning. But it's not as fun for me. Such shallow communication once a few months is more than enough for my taste. For them it's every week or more often: come together, crack jokes, get drunk and dance. Leave me out of it, please, it's boring. I saw the pictures of the buildings, well, horrible buildings. I hope you get some peace with your accommodation So do I. P.D. WhatВґs the name of the wealthiest man/woman in Ukraine? Um... we have several oligarchs. Akhmetov, Kolomoyskiy... ex president and his swarm have stolen much... I don't follow their rating. |
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20-09-2015 Starting off in life is often hard, but so is living in the middle of it, and then of course the dying part. Hmmm…I had to put myself through University and lived in an apartment over a garage and slept on top of a porch. The apartment had a door that went down some stairs to an alley, and another door that went nowhere, literally nowhere! When you opened the door, it just dropped off into space. I had to put a sign on the door on the inside for fear of one of my friends stepping to their doom by accident one day. The pipes burst because of cold the first winter I was there and there was no landlord to be had. No water at all, no toilet, shower, sink, etc. All I had was a post office box to send the rent to. I tried to fix the pipes but they were copper and split in dozens of places throughout the floor and walls from frozen water. I couldn't afford to move nor rent another place with deposits and other costs, so I figured I would just stop paying rent and that would get someone's attention. Meanwhile, since the apartment was across the alley from a bar that had live music almost every night, I could never sleep nor have any peace after 7pm until 3am. But I did manage to run a water hose from the outside water tap behind the bar which it seems they never used to wash up with, through a ditch I dug and covered over for the cars that parked there, and up into my apartment to fill a bucket with cold water when I need to flus the toilet or wash dishes. Showering was just too hard and the water too cold, so I showered at a women's gym on campus at night. I had no phone, no real heat, and a barely functioning window air conditioner which really only blew hot air. I lived that way almost a year, no landlord ever showed, until one day I got an eviction notice out of the blue. I think they didn't realized anyone could possibly live there under such conditions! Good times! My other experience was living in a turn-of-the-century house with 35 other people, men and women, on the west side of campus, where we had to do about 5-10 hours a week of work, such as cleaning bathrooms or cooking, in addition to our rent. You haven't cooked until you have cooked for 35 people! I saw drug overdoses, the birth of a baby, alcoholism, the gamut of people's actions coping with life and little money. Best and worst times in my life. We had one phone for the entire house, one washer, and one dryer. Bathrooms were shared between men and women, the main bath had four showerheads and no door to the hallway nor showers. It was very common to have anyone showering with you, or more than one person especially in the morning before work and class. Thanks so much for sharing your life in Kiev, Irina. Here in Texas we have a lot of places equal and worse than what you show, with rats, roaches, flies, and more. The worst place I had had wasps in the ceiling and rats in the walls, you could hear them gnawing all night long, and I could hear the roaches running across the tile kitchen floor, and in Texas at least, the roaches are as big as your palm and fly! Disgusting. People always come up with ridiculous oily sayings that I know you probably hate like I do, like "smile and the world smiles with you", or "can't never tried", or "tomorrow's another day" but I thought of one that makes more sense to me. Today is the best day of the rest of your life! I thought about it because now you are still probably without major health issues or pain, and when you look in the mirror, you see a beautiful young woman staring back. I don't need to tell you that that will change in not too long a time and you will look back on these times as the good 'ole days! Being ANers, I sometimes wish we had a secret signal or something where we could just nod and establish all that we know and feel in an instant, maybe it would help us get through each day a little better. I once had a role playing game called Gamma World which was a post-apocalyptic environment where there are pure-strain humans, mutated humans with various afflictions, and intelligent mutated animals, like wolves and dolphins. In the game there was a group called the Friends of Entropy, basically ANers as far as I could tell, that would trace an infinity sign on their forehead quickly and discreetly when meeting someone and ft it was returned they knew that they both agreed that mankind needed to go extinct or suffer yet again the rise and fall of civilization and all of the suffering that entailed. Maybe we should adopt it! @Brickus Dickus…so a marriage proposal to extract Irina from the cold hell of Ukraine, being functionally a doormat to European wars between Russia and its neighbors, you are a pretty cheeky guy! Here's a site you might want to peruse so you can leave Irina alone… http://www.city-of-brides.net One of the random profiles of a slavic woman that I got was titled "Life is full of miracles, do you believe that?" It might be tough to find a realistic AN girl, though, so you have your work cut out for you. I just finished Sarah Perry's book "Every Cradle is a Grave" and though it is written more in the style of a PhD thesis, it is a good book, and I thoroughly agree with almost every elucidated item. There were even a few English words I had to look up, she is definitely a bright woman. I'd like to meet her, but haven't tried too hard to try and contact her, though she lives here in the city somewhere. Her picture at the end of the book surely shows her ethnic roots in Eastern Europe somewhere, am I wrong? The book is currently offered free online until they have an arrangement with Kindle or something, so if you become intellectually lonely or tired, you can access it from the link at the bottom of the page at no cost to brighten your day. http://www.ninebandedbooks.com/every-cradle-is-a-grave-02/ And here is an audio interview with Perry where she gives a little more background on being kept in an institution for failing to commit suicide successfully more than once, and her work (as a lawyer?) representing people who want to be released from the same institutions. She also discusses other topics like whether we should make people and suicide relevant facts, etc. http://reviewthefuture.com/?p=408 |
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20-09-2015
Starting off in life is often hard, but so is living in the middle of it, and then of course the dying part. I thought about it because now you are still probably without major health issues or pain, and when you look in the mirror, you see a beautiful young woman staring back. I don't need to tell you that that will change in not too long a time and you will look back on these times as the good 'ole days! ;) Hehe. That's encouraging) No, I am having significantly more health issues in my 30ies than in my 20ies, some chronic pain is starting to settle. And what does my look give me? If I want to simply distance myself from the world in my home, which I don't even have. Of course, it's better to look cute than ugly, just in case, but ultimately what matters is if you're happy. I am not currently. And knowing some day it's going to get worse doesn't help. Rather, it makes me more daring ... a little bit ... in trying to get the best I can from these years I have before it's too late. In the game there was a group called the Friends of Entropy, basically ANers as far as I could tell, that would trace an infinity sign on their forehead quickly and discreetly when meeting someone and ft it was returned they knew that they both agreed that mankind needed to go extinct or suffer yet again the rise and fall of civilization and all of the suffering that entailed. Maybe we should adopt it! :)
Huh. Funny. Just wait till we'll be called some secret society, the evil illuminaties plotting to end the world. Let's not forget secret handshakes then I just finished Sarah Perry's book "Every Cradle is a Grave" I've read about half of it so far. I'm switching between books sometimes. It's pretty good. |
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21-09-2015 They should demolish those ugly apartments, build new ones. That would create work, something to do for these apes. Seeing that ugliness everywhere, it affects people psychologically, no wonder it drives them to drink, but then again that could happen from a pleasant spoiled life. It only takes one of these apes to ruin the atmosphere. I am just saying that because I live in a good area, mostly peaceful and quiet except for one ape here who likes to talk loud, drink and play loud music, I am sure annoying not just for me. These apes belong in a special area, like a zoo, so they can get on each others nerves and night. But I can imagine you have this shit everywhere over there. It must be hell. |
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Oh they are building the new ones, very often also sky-scrapers, only more pleasant colors. Not much better in my opinion. I love maximum 5 storey buildings, taller ones I find to be uncosy and depressing. Houses should not be much taller than trees - then there's some equilibrium between civillization and nature (in the form of plants lol we still don't want wild animals walking the streets). |
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21-09-2015 @Irina I was thinking that people like us seem to have it the hardest. We are bright enough to understand that we suffer for no ultimate reason and at the behest of others, and are not easily entertained nor distracted.Those with less insight and intelligence play the game, believe in miracles and a loving god, a just world, and a reward after they die for slogging through life and creating more misery. They can dance and drink their troubles away temporarily, all the while thinking that what they do counts for something big in the universe. Those with very high intelligence but less compassion or ability to think broadly focus on something, like building a Mars robot or understanding dark matter, or becoming extremely wealthy, or seeking the admiration of others, and spend their time doing something ultimately destructive and selfish, and pat themselves on the back for it. Very narrow high-level thinking, but missing the big picture. Those with more courage (or less grit) have probably already offed themselves, either quickly or slowly, such as with drinking heavily or heroin use, etc. We see that that just leads to incapacitation and even fewer options in life if failed, in general, and dependence on others we would rather not depend on, and it not a path to be taken lightly. Failed suicides with missing jaws, brain damage, comatose conditions, etc. are sprinkled throughout society. And in Texas, the government works very hard to prevent you from having options with your consciousness, as S. Perry outlines in her interview that I referenced prior. For us, the questions, as I have phrased them since very young, of What is true? and What is worth doing? have to be faced every day with no easy answers, or answers that undermine blind commitment to some activity, religion, job, marriage, raising children, making money, and the like. These two questions are usually an anathema to la gente corriente. I wish I could give you a big hug, and walk and talk (and consider what might be "more daring" for you), with the knowledge that if your life was a little easier or more tolerable you hopefully would not suddenly forget all of the solid thinking you have done and get pregnant or start talking about how loving the universe is and how we are so special, or how it is just one's attitude that makes the day, that type of nonsense. You have no idea how refreshing that type of confidence in someone's else's clear thinking would be to me. And I don't know what your travel options are as a Ukrainian citizen, the cost, etc. or I would invite you to Texas for a change of place that you may so desperately need. Sometimes it can help, but as they say, "Wherever you go, there you are." The truth is the same everywhere. I was doing the math on apartments and such here in my hometown, about the 7th largest city in the US now, but that started out as a cow town established by the Spanish conquistadores, and at about $8/hour, a little more than minimum wage, it takes about half of a monthly income for a very average one bedroom apartment, being about 600 sq. ft, umm, 55 sq. meters, at about $700/month. Most places here have no furniture, only maybe a stove and fridge, no more. The poor here struggle and the isolation is ever present. Texas has very little in the way of social nets, no real medical care, etc. and every day the Republicans are working to deny health care, education, and more to the women and people of Texas. The crazy thing is those same people keep voting them in, for what to me are almost inexplicable psychological reasons. What is funny is that a lot of people here *dream* of going to Russia, or the Baltic States, or France, or Germany, or Austria, etc. to see their European roots, the carefully constructed beautiful architecture that required decades to construct, snow-covered mountains, the imagined idyllic life of the original homeland, and to get away from what they perceive, correctly, as the very fast-paced and competitive *highest and best* use attitude here in the States, where everyone is warehoused in cardboard and tin suburban houses and your tax money goes to fund the largest military on the planet while education, environment, and more all bow to business interests, always the military contractors looking for a war to join or start to make good use of the stockpiled equipment and enrich the owners of the suppliers of said equipment. The people want community, culture, neighbors, stability, food with flavor, clean air, which are all missing from our society in the chasing of the dollar, which they believe can be found somewhere else on the planet. It is a grass is always greener mentality, to be sure. Yet none of them dare to even think of AN principles for fear of disrupting their carefully constructed illusions. They just imagine going to Mars to escape their current situation, not having the sense to understand that this planet is the best suited to our survival, not some barren rock in space. But it allows them to think they can trash Earth and redeem themselves by traveling to an imagined nirvana held somewhere for them, made available by the ever-worshipped technology. I am sure that those that visit this site all share similar struggles, one-eyed individuals in the land of the blind, so to speak. It is often very frustrating and tiring, absolutely. And yet a clean exit at any point in life is just not to be had so easily, unfortunately, and maybe sharing is a way to put another notch on the wall to mark another day, or maybe is just a way to delay the inevitable difficult decision of one's existence. |
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21-09-2015 Hi Irina,Thanks for posting this. It reminds me of when I was in Kiev in 2011. I remember my neighbor was drilling in the wall one day The view from your apartment of the other apartment buildings looked the same, too. Anyways, I hope you're doing great! |
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21-09-2015 Dear Irina,Have you thought of leaving UKraine? A forged Passport will cause you problems. Dont you have your passport? To stay in a country like yours at this time of serious conflict with Russia means that you have the balls (pardon my expression) to face the problems there. Be safe.Raul |
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21-09-2015
Raul, have you thought about buying a Lamborghini? What I mean is I can't just move, nobody's waiting for me, of course I have my passport, but unlike those suddenly flooding EU from Syria, nobody from Ukraine is welcomed. If I could've resettled on my own I would have, I don't meet all the requirements for a skilled migrant. And I don't have the indecency of trying to dupe silly foreign men into marrying me when I am not really interested in them. Plenty of those in Ukraine, that's the easiest way to move for a pretty woman. |
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22-09-2015 Irina,quote: And I don't have the indecency of trying to dupe silly foreign men into marrying me when I am not really interested in them. Ooh, whack! Mr. O'Dick is going to be upset! Kudos to you, Irina, because marrying might be the easiest/hardest way out of your country into perhaps another differently difficult situation, financially, socially, and physically. I see immigrants of various statuses here, from Indian programmers and Chinese doctors to construction workers illegally here from Mexico, all *thinking* that the US of A is a land running with gold, a heaven on earth, which basically is just a storybook illusion. I see families struggle to try and stay, those that go underground and work cash only economies who are abused by their employers when they out-stay their visas, and some who marry, almost always being women, who often don't speak the language and miss their culture, their family, their friends, and end up isolated in some hard-to-reach suburb without a driver's license or car. Sometimes the men are abusive, knowing they can be and feel they are owed it by the woman. You know, though, that most of us who communicate with you through this blog value your clear thinking and compassion, and want only the best for you, though perhaps being ignorant of what is and isn't possible for you in your country. And a bit like those who are rich think that money is boring or not a big deal because it is ever-present for them, and have to always question the intentions of all who they meet, beauty can be much the same. Most people would give being rich a try, regardless of the complications and distrust and unhappiness it can cause. As boring as it is to fend off the come-ons from the locals, there are women that would swap looks with you in a heartbeat, having been shunned, shamed, and ridiculed for their imperfections and lack of generally accepted beauty since childhood. But having worked some as a model when I was a bit younger, and having been approached by women rather aggressively at times (and men, too, for some reason… ), I know that it seems much better from the outside than the inside having to be polite and yet to disappoint on a regular basis. Cheer up, though, as we have discussed before, you only have a few more years (5-10 maybe?) of fending off annoying men before the gray hair, wrinkles, and sagging skin brighten your day and you are left completely alone, or better yet publicly berated and insulted for your lack of beauty! More seriously, though, know that even just from your videos and postings there are other ANers out here who feel a bond and kinship with the beauty of your *thoughts* and actions (or lack thereof) and willingness to post your ideas and bring us together across the planet, and who would help you if they understood your predicament and knew how... --- > Edited 22-09-2015 02:13:56 |
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@Irina I was thinking that people like us seem to have it the hardest. We are bright enough to understand that we suffer for no ultimate reason and at the behest of others, and are not easily entertained nor distracted. Exactly. I wish I could give you a big hug, and walk and talk (and consider what might be "more daring" for you), with the knowledge that if your life was a little easier or more tolerable you hopefully would not suddenly forget all of the solid thinking you have done and get pregnant or start talking about how loving the universe is and how we are so special, or how it is just one's attitude that makes the day, that type of nonsense. I wouldn't, because I hadn't. When I was living in that 2nd apartment I was doing quite good and living quite happily. Little work, more money, more peace and sleep, taxis, restaurants, even a little bit of travel. I was making much more videos because I could afford a lot of time and had lots of rest and energy. Kudos to you, Irina, because marrying might be the easiest/hardest way out of your country into perhaps another differently difficult situation, financially, socially, and physically. Right. That or the man suffers, that happens too, some still-naive-in-his-50ies guy takes a young beautiful girl from Estern Europe only to realize a couple of years later she was only after his passport, and whatever else she could get her hands on. Isn't this kind of an equivalent of a Cinderells tale, only for boys? That it's very likely that a model-looking hardly speaking English lady from a shithole country will just madly fall in love with some older guy with a beer belly? You know, though, that most of us who communicate with you through this blog value your clear thinking and compassion, and want only the best for you, though perhaps being ignorant of what is and isn't possible for you in your country. :) That's what I appreciate and what brightens my day sometimes (sometimes it's not enough though so you better send some cash lol) No, seriously, it's a breath of fresh air for me as I'm surrounded by people who can't understand me and it's lonely. And a bit like those who are rich think that money is boring or not a big deal because it is ever-present for them, and have to always question the intentions of all who they meet, beauty can be much the same. Most people would give being rich a try, regardless of the complications and distrust and unhappiness it can cause. You know, unless you're a bum on the street, there's pretty much always somebody might find you useful for. So beauty or not rich or not always question people and their honesty and intentions, because they lie and even to themselves. Oh and even if you're a bum and someone is kind and caring to you, maybe they're just doing it for Jesus, so still fucking question them. |
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Ooh, whack! Mr. O'Dick is going to be upset! You do realise I was being silly, Kirk? I am staunchly against marriage on principle and have been for as long as I can remember. When I was younger my mantra used to be that if you loved a person you could never possibly marry them. Stripped of all the religious BS that comes with the standard wedding package, marriage is still nothing more than a business transaction and one which basically amounts to ownership of the other person and a restriction of their freedom - 'the old ball and chain', as the saying goes. The whole arrangement is arrogant and based on fear and conformity, not love. If you truly love and care for another person then THEIR happiness should be of primary importance. In such a world the concept of cheating would cease to exist altogether. For while commitment to one another is still necessary in order to keep the relationship alive, it doesn't mean that monogomy is a prerequisite. It may or may not be what occurs, but it would not be a mandatory expectation or demand. I said this 'used' to be how I viewed matrimony and I pretty much adhere to the same viewpoint. The only difference these days is that I think there are circumstances where marriage can be a useful tool in order to find a shortcut around disagreeable laws and their attendant red tape. If a couple has children then I think there are certain tax advantages to being married and it is definitely easier when filling in forms. Also, my 'proposal' here to Irina was intended as a joke, but hypothetically speaking, for someone desperately wanting out of a country and into another as fast as possible, it could be a wise decision. This assumes the spouse-to-be in the host country is not being duped by the wannabe immigrant and goes in with their eyes open. Summary: I think marriage is for idiots, except in a few cases where it helps people people break the law for their personal convenience. Only then can I condone it. P.S. Thanks for the link to Every Cradle Is A Grave. I'll read it as soon as I've finished The Brothers Karamazov. |
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22-09-2015 @Dick Sure, of course, I use and understand sarcasm a lot, and am used to being misunderstood by most people because of it. You can only imagine the looks of confusion on my self-absorbed student's faces when faced with Day 1 quote on the board, "You are unique, just like everyone else!"I heartily agree with your view on marriage. It is an old institution that was a way to subjugate women, manage property and wealth, and somewhat make people responsible when they make more people. And yet the form of marriage present today isn't really that old, being true love etc. Marriage generally had nothing to do with love. The laws here in the States often penalize people for sharing living quarters because they are required to submit household income combined for various and sundry things, and marriage is often hundreds of dollars cheaper *per month* in taxes, so the government religion police get their way by economic arm-twisting. And I have know several people that have used marriage to overcome difficult laws, sometimes it is the only bullet left in your gun. Here, I think one has to live together (as if that had something to do with marriage) for 2 or 3 years, share bills, represent as married, etc. and be subjected to interviews with questions like, "What side of the bed does your spouse sleep on?" or "What color are your spouse's eyes?" during that time to try and catch "fraudulent marriages." There are a lot of assumptions in the questions, to be sure. I found the audio interview with Sarah Perry to be interesting to listen to, I actually learned a few things about the law here in the States (and maybe Texas, too, can't remember) and details of suicide, etc. that I wasn't aware of. You might give it a listen, it's less effort than the book, though it doesn't attempt to cover the same exact material. I tell you what, an interview like that just a few years back would have never happened or been made public, it would make for so much trouble in every way for everyone involved, maybe even arrests for encouraging deaths or murder or something bizarre. It gives me hope that some people are slowly getting it around the world. You still can't mention AN in a social gathering, though, without getting thrown out or ignored the rest of the evening. A rational discussion still cannot be had. Information is the first step. Like the printing press where people could access books and read for themselves instead of just listening to a town crier read an edict from the king, the internet, with all of its associated disastrous social and environmental consequences, may be the tool that helps make a critical change, AN-wise. Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. |
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