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In this post, I'm going to talk about lies within interpersonal relations leaving aside misinformation in business sphere.
I was prompted to write on the topic by the recent remark of my friend who said 'Why I like you is that I know you will always tell me the truth, and there are not many honest people around'.
I've heard this before. And it's 99% true Nobody is honest 100% of the time. But the general predisposition to bullshit people and the percentage of lies a person tells is what differentiates us.
It wouldn't be right to say that I 'try to be honest' all the time if possible because frankly, it takes more effort for me to lie than to be honest, I've been brought up this way. Of course, lots of things in my upbringing that I didn't like I've changed, but this trait I sort of enjoy and it brings me more benefits than troubles. ...Well...mostly))
I've been told by many people I've met that I'm unusually open, blunt and sincere. And I've noticed the majority tend to like it and wish there were more people behaving in a similar way. Well, the way to prompt people to behave more honestly is to show an example. People mimic each other (we're primates after all ). Also, we do tend to treat others the way they treat us thus many people will try to reciprocate with the same attitude. Although some won't be able to maintain this way of behavior as they've spent most of their lives playing and pretending and it's such an old habit that it's hard to give it up even if they wanted to.
Such people I just leave outside of my friends circle. They may be nice persons, but if they are caught up in the 'pretend to be someone I'm not' game they're just boring to be around. I mean, when I want to see some acting I'll just put on a good movie.
What I'm talking about here is the kind of untruths people tell in order to create/maintain a positive image of themselves. We see it all around: from your regular narcissists to almost everybody else, really. In a way, we're all worried about our ego and how others see us. I am, too, I won't deny it, but I'm just cleverly trying to present my weaknesses as strengh and it's mostly working!))) But that's the core difference: people who realize their flaws and are able to laugh at them and still feel worthy are much more fun than the cohort of worried tensed fake personalities who're desperately trying to radiate 'I'm great and I know it' and in fact look ridiculous and pitiful to people like me. I had to qualify that with 'to people like me' because they do have their worshippers perhaps widely comprised of those like themselves and dependent personalities (and teenagers). Well, as long as they enjoy it it's fine, I'm just saying such people and their lack of self-reflection (and maybe deep thinking as such) bore me and I don't want them in my life, that's all.
The need to appear much better (from the socially-conditioned popular point of view) than one really is: much more successful (sometimes guilty), clever (sometimes/often/whatever guilty), witty (often guilty), beautiful (often guilty) is probably one of the prevalent reasons why we lie. A discrepancy between our ideal self and our real self.
Another powerful motivator is an inability to maintain personal boundaries, e.g. to say 'no' (or 'GFY' ). People who feel compelled to be nice to everyone will be forced to lie more often to get out of the inconvenient situations and invent excuses where a more confident person will just say an honest 'no' to manipulation attempts.
Being friends with such people is a pain in the ass. They always have somebody wanting some favors from them and the poor nice guy is always putting their own life on pause to go deal with other peoples' problems, people who often aren't even their friends, but friends of friends of distant cousins. And they come to you and complain 'i have this errand to run for that person, damn, how do i get out of this, what can i tell them, maybe you can help me'. And sometimes they lie to you you, too. Just because it's their second nature already. They think nobody can handle a rejection. When it's just that they can't deal with the thought someone isn't happy with them. Sad. Psychotherapy can help though.
Of course, yet another motivator for lying is simply manipulation. A deliberate strategy to get what one wants by way of deception. A man lies about having a huge house and three cars, a woman lies about being with only one man before - her late husband. Well...what can I say here...such people deserve one another. If you conciously deceive another person you don't get to complain about being deceived. Prepare yourself for the competition of who 'overbullshits' the other. Have fun, guys! I like to watch movies about people like you ))
I'm not going to touch upon 'white lie'. I mean, sometimes it's annoying you're expected to tell it on many occasions ('oh yes, what a beautiful painting, you're so talented...where's the bathroom btw?'), but oftentimes it's nice that you can use it to avoid hurting somebody's feelings or to lift their spirit. If someone considers this kind of lie to be a problem, I still suggest we get our priorities straight: why worrying about harmless, well-intended bullshit when there's so much of malicious lies around.
In everyday interpersonal communication with my acquaintances, new people I meet I tend to tell the truth (nothing but the truth so help me ...) for at least 2 concious reasons that I'm aware of (hey, when you're a psychologist you're often doubting your own motivations as well):
- I'm lazy and hate to remember useless junk, like some stupid misinformation you've made up for this or that person. Screw that, who are they to make me go into the trouble of straining my neurons which I prefer to use for philosophical musings instead.
- It's quite pleasing to be yourself and not have to pretend. It's like you're relaxed all the time. You actually feel that you're living, you exist, the real you, not some charachter you have to play.
- You immediately know whether this person will be your friend or not, you see whether they like you or not. Why would you want a bunch of friends who are with you only because you've successfully concealed your true personality?
- I like to see how people will react to me speaking my mind, especially when I say something that's usually swept under the rug. Round eyes - that's funny)) And so easy to cause just by saying the truth that many people suspect anyway.
Well, finally, to the male-female relationships. Such a weird playground... It's often so freaking fake top to bottom it's disgusting to watch. He reads magazine articles on how to impress a woman and she reads about what men expect from them, both of them try to play a role and pretend to be something that 'sells' today so that they can build a relationship where neither of them feels fulfilled. Later there will be suspicions and accusations and reading each other's emails and smses. A dream come true!
Then some of those couples come to psychologist and ask 'what's wrong with our relationship'. But what's right with it? If you wanted to create an atmosphere of trust and understanding and acceptance and support maybe you should've listened to each other and told the truth to one another instead of playing games.
I was like that when I was 15. Worrying about what the guy might think of me if I do this or say that. Will I come up too vulnerable if I talk about my feelings, should I call him first, and if I'm offended should I show that or hide my true feelings etc, etc... But I see people in their 30ies behaving same way. Wasting their lives trying to 'create the right impression'. But you can't create an impression of a self-reliant interesting personality if you're not one. Such fake impression will quickly fall apart like a house of cards. You have to become the impression you want to create :)
Today I just think life's too complicated and full of bullshit as it is to be making space for a relationship full of fairy-tales. And I'm not saying there should be no secrets. Everyone has something they might be uncomfortable of sharing, or uncomfortable of sharing at a certain point. It's just that there's a difference in saying 'I can't tell you that' and telling a lie. Then the other person is free to decide whether they're comfortable with that thing not being shared with them. That's already a great level of intimacy. And if intimacy is what we crave in our lives then that's what we should be trying to build.
Almost forgot! The concern over who lies to you and when. Many people seem to be obsessed with learning some techniques to spot lies. 'Look, his nose twitched! Liar!' I understand the use of that in business (if someone is really good at that) but outside of that I don't think this should be so important. Just be honest yourself. You'll see how that stimulates others to be the same way with you. And what are you afraid of anyway? If you're constantly doubting your friend's or spouse's sincerity, then your relationship isn't good enough already, is it? Isn't that something to worry about in the first place?
I don't consider myself a lie-detector, though maybe I'm quite good at it, but maybe not. But what I care about is how I feel in a relationship. If it's going great - then there's no problem. If my friend/boyfriend deceives me and I find out - I'll deal with it then. To be afraid of it only because it can cause pain? But everything can. Intimate relationships are a guarantee that some day in some way you're going to get hurt, because you care.
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Irina |
27-12-2012
I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for leaving feedback)) |
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28-12-2012
Thank you, helpful; and always nice to see others think on an introspective level, especially since it's a seemingly rare occurrence...or at least rarely at any great depth. And yet, in not just the different cases of honesty (or lack thereof) but also generally regarding anything that can be self-reflected upon, such kind of thought if performed might actually lead to better psychological well-being for the person.
I think another point is, being dishonest to some people about certain things but not to others. For whatever reason; unsympathetic/inconsiderate, closed-mindedness to unpopular personal/philosophical preferences, lack of discretion; for some, being (completely) honest to some people about some things might simply be more trouble than its worth, especially if they see them on a regular basis. Finding people that one is comfortable being honest around helps; but just as much on the flip side, doing what one can themselves so that others don't feel uncomfortable having to lie is good. (And thanks a lot for the backup page when having entered the wrong code) |
Irina |
28-12-2012
Thanks for a thoughtful comment. I think another point is, being dishonest to some people about certain things but not to others. True, there is always a cost/benefit analysis involved: Grandma: You need to get baptised. Me: I don't believe in god. Grandma: What? OMG!! But...but... Me: I'm kidding, grandma, maybe I will, maybe I will. Grandma leaves in two days and our communication is over. No need to worry her and have a pointless discussion that you can predict in details anyway. but just as much on the flip side, doing what one can themselves so that others don't feel uncomfortable having to lie is good Yep. That's why I said it's good to show an example. People see you're not bragging about your grandious achievements and they might feel safe enough to tell the truth also, seeing how you're not some judgemental prick. And thanks a lot for the backup page when having entered the wrong code You're welcome! Due to the nature of my work I've had to submit tons of information through forms before so I know how frustrating it is to get your data lost. |
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29-12-2012
I can only think of a few things which I would add to the conversation. I won't always tell what I'm thinking unless I have a very well thought out opinion on the matter. If you don't have a good, well considered opinion, it's better to keep it to yourself. I've met some very stupid people who feel they need to share their opinions on everything and they make asses of themselves. I have my own way of dealing with situations where most people would lie. It's probably pretty common. When I'm put in complicated social situations, like I'm with an employer, or a professor of mine, or even certain family members, I will never lie to them, but sometimes I'll find ways to find compatible ground so as not to offend. When your career or livelihood is on the line, and you've worked hard to get to that place, it's worth more to me to have harmony and job security than to let my direct opinions on everything be known. Also, there are different ways in which you can say the exact same thing. There's an art to constructive criticism. I can't say I'm very good at it, but I'm always trying to be better. I noticed that most of your post dealt with lies in interpersonal relationships such as friends and lovers. When I was younger, late teens, early twenties, I had a friend who was always giving me love advice from magazines and dating experts. Thinking back on it, it was terrible advice. As you said, you pretend you're mr. or mrs. awesome with everything going for you, with this fake positivity and love of life. Then you have to try to keep up that image day after day and eventually you'll break down. It's even worse if both of you are doing it and things just get weird. Your friends and lover should be places of rest, where you feel comfortable being you -- not a place where you have to constantly put on a fake front. I sometimes think we lie as much as we do because people can be so judgemental. It's scary letting people know your religious views, especially in the U.S., where I live. Political views can be the same way. There are people who are accepting and create an environment where a person can feel comfortable being open about their opinions, but in my experience, such people are rare. Just having a blog out there can be a scary thing. People start judging you and will treat you differently. Speaking on that same topic, I think you have to be aware of people's intellectual level. I've met people who are maybe just getting into something for the first time and say something really dumb. If I see they're making efforts to educate themselves, and learn new things, if they have some bad opinions, I'll try to very gently guide them in the right direction. It's a terrible thing to crush a person when they're struggling to have the confidence to give their opinions in the first place. It all comes down to making them feel welcome and a part of the conversation. My ability to do this can be limited though. And just for the record, I can say that almost every time I've lied in the past, I've later come to regret it. |
Irina |
29-12-2012
I won't always tell what I'm thinking unless I have a very well thought out opinion on the matter. You can always say 'I don't have a strong opinion on the matter'. I realized this relatively recently that an unfounded opinion is often worse than no opinion. I used to think I have one on almost every question. haha. well, good thing I grew out of it gradually.
Well, yeah, and we identify with our set of opinions so much. They become part of what we call our personality, so when someone disagrees we feel our identity is being questioned. Some people are more successful at separating their opinions from themselves. Ok, tough topic ahead...what's 'self' etc... I'm outta here! |
filrabat
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01-01-2013
But what about the age old question men dread to hear:
Does this great new dress make me look fat? |
Irina |
02-01-2013
Guess it depends on what he is prepared to hear from her about his flabby muscles and a growing bold spot on his head. I mentioned this entry isn't about 'white lie', but since you sort of brought it up I'm gonna have to say there is a place for it. When you say to your loved one 'you look great' the message is 'i love you the way you are and i will lie to you if you need me to'. |
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01-01-2013
Somebody's sprung a trap!
This might be a good time to take Irina's advice. "I don't have a strong opinion on the matter." |
John
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02-01-2013
The 'dress makes me look fat' conundrum is an interesting one.
I used to view a positive answer to a fat woman as a lie. Now I don't. Here's why: She is asking if the dress makes her look fat to you, the observer whom she loves; not to an objective random audience. The real question underneath the question is: 'Do you love me?' To which the rejoinder is positive if the love is true. Love and care actually makes any person look beautiful, truly gorgeous. That bonding and seeing deep inside someone always reveals an enormous amount of beauty that no one else can really see. So I'm of the school of thought now that it is not a lie if you actually can't see the 'fat' from your perspective. She is asking where you stand, and what your truth is from what you feel - not some cold 'objective' truth. |
Zenner
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02-01-2013
I totally agree with you, John. Love (and its inevitable consequence: care) is a most magic thing indeed... for instance, it can make you "blind" (and deaf, and dumb, and..), I love it! (mainly because it makes me CARE about other people ::wink.gif::
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02-03-2013
On the topic of white lies, you should REALLY read "Lying" by Sam Harris. It's a very short e-book, can be read in 30 minutes.
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Irina |
04-03-2013
Ok, thanks for the recommendation. |
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04-03-2013
Also, I\'m really loving your blog. Came across it almost by chance. I hope you keep updating it.
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Irina |
04-03-2013
thanks! i checked out your tumblr, you've got some pretty good quotes collection there. yeah, i gotta update it soon, maybe today... |
I thoroughly enjoyed. Thanks for hitting a home run on this topic with sincerity and truth.